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Poster: patourkid Date: Mar 11, 2008 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

I love Dylan, I love most of the stuff the Dead covered of Dylans, but I never really dug when they played together. I don't know why they never seemed to mesh well to me.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Mar 11, 2008 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

might have worked better in say, 76, or 77. before his born again christian thing

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 11, 2008 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

The Dead described it this way---Dylan had no interest in rehearsing the songs before they were played live, and once they were, he mumbled through the lyrics and also experimented with his pacing and synchronization of the lyrics to the tune.

It made it almost impossible for the boys to stay in synch, and the result was more often than not a (slow) Train (coming) wreck.

It's not unlike the experience of seeing Dylan live at any time post 1980. (I'm a huge fan, btw). I saw Dylan live (not counting w/the Dead) 4 times, and he basically sucked every tme except once, during thr "Time out of Mind" tour in 1997 when I was lucky enough to catch him at a tiny club on Landsdowne Street in Boston, with maybe 1,000 people there total. Dylan was brilliant, singing hard, enunciating both the new tunes and old, and the backing band was rocking out fully. One of the best shows I ever saw. But a Dylan show was usually hit or miss and remains so to this day.

Too bad...b/c he could have been great w/the Dead.

All that being said I got chills up and down the spine when I saw him play JFK Stadium in Philly in 1987 and he opened with "Tangled", backed by the Dead. I could not believe what I was seeing/hearing and it remains a great musical memory just for the shear historic significance of my two favorite music artists/bands performing one of my all time favorite songs together.

This post was modified by grendelschoice on 2008-03-11 15:37:47

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Poster: snori Date: Mar 11, 2008 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

I envy you that last experience. I saw Dylan once in 1978, at a festival on a disused air field south of London. Clapton's band had been on earlier, so he joined Dylan for the last couple of numbers and the encore. Dylan's singing was still fine, and all Slowhand had to do was play the solos. That worked.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 11, 2008 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

wow--I envy YOU that show! Clapton & Dylan--pretty sweet.

Infact, theres a wonderful and little appreciated collaboration between the 2 on one of Clapton's albums--a song called "Sign Language"....can't remember the name of the EC album it's on--but they trade verses and sing together on the chorus and it's a truly beautiful song--worth seeking out if you're not familiar with it.

I'm also one of the very few who thinks "Live at Budokan" from Dylan's 1978 tour of Japan is fantastic. (Most critics hated it). I love the reggae rendition of "don't think twice".

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 11, 2008 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

Was thinking the same thing about pacing and sychronization. To me, part of Bob's uniqueness is how so much of his vocal work seems to always be just a bit off from the standard time of the song; but instead of taking away from it, it really adds to the overall effect of the song. Like in "Simple Twist of Fate", I've heard musicians try to imitate his phrasing but never get it, taking away from the song as a whole. When JGB did the song, however, he instead sang the lyrics more straightforward instead of trying to duplicate the odd timing of the original and really made the tune his own. To date I can't think of anyone I've seen play Dylan tunes with Dylan that really worked. Maybe I'm full of it, but that's my perogative. Hey, that makes me think, would the Dead have done better playing w/ Bobby Brown? Ahhhh, the possibilities.

EDIT: Wholeheartedly agree w/ Rob about The Band.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2008-03-11 16:02:45

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 11, 2008 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

Another guy who had astonishing phrasing and would totally own just about any song he sang was Frank Sinatra - no one could interpret a song like Francis Albert. So, did Frank ever cover Dylan? I know Bob did 'Restless Farewell' for Sinatra's 80th birthday tribute in 95 but I don't think Sinatra ever sang a Dylan song. Would have been interesting - 4th Time Around maybe ...?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 11, 2008 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: This sums it up nicely

Great statement about Bob from a record review:

Dylan's voice is gritty, broken and so shattered it seems able to go in two directions at once. Its rough, ugly texture spits out shards of glass, venom and heartbreak with equal aplomb. In its ability to conjure up meaning via pure sound -- meaning to match his blistering tales of degradation and depression -- and with Dylan's uncanny knack for unexpected phrasing -- always his strongest point as a vocalist, making for optimum tension-building -- his voice is, in a word, a masterful thing of unparalleled beauty.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 11, 2008 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

Yeah, Frank had it. He could even jam out w/ Stevie Wonder:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7855373445778571103


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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 11, 2008 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

Piscopo/Murphy: such a classic--thanks for that!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 11, 2008 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So why did Dylan and the Dead not work ?

BTW, I may be totally wrong about this, but something tells me the Chairman of the Board once did a Dylan cover of "Just Like a Woman"....even if he didn't, couldn't you imagine him doing so?

and yeah, The Band was possibly the greatest backing band ever.

One more random Dylan note: On the soundtrack to "I'm Not There", Richie Havens nails "Tombstone Blues" in an acoustic version that is so awesome, it approaches the original (note I say "approaches") from Highway 61 in sheer power and emotional force. Check it!

while we're at it: 2 most underrated Dylan albums:

Street Legal & Planet Waves (backed by The Band).